{"id":4187,"date":"2014-11-21T11:11:02","date_gmt":"2014-11-21T10:11:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/duncanshelley.com\/?p=4187"},"modified":"2014-11-21T11:11:02","modified_gmt":"2014-11-21T10:11:02","slug":"istenkeptelen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/duncanshelley.com\/en\/istenkeptelen\/","title":{"rendered":"Istenk\u00e9ptelen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Azon az elk\u00e9pzel\u00e9sen, hogy isten egy v\u00e9gtelen hatalm\u00fa f\u00e9rfi, m\u00e1r gyerekkoromban is nevettem. Ahogyan m\u00faltak az \u00e9vek, egyre t\u00f6bb r\u00e9szlet foszlott le a felk\u00edn\u00e1lt istenk\u00e9pr\u0151l: elvetettem azt az elk\u00e9pzel\u00e9st, hogy istennek emberi tulajdons\u00e1gai lehetnek, k\u00e9s\u0151bb azt, hogy van teste, k\u00e9s\u0151bb azt, hogy beavatkozik, m\u00e9g k\u00e9s\u0151bb pedig maga isten is kiker\u00fclt a vil\u00e1gk\u00e9pemb\u0151l, mert nem volt benne hely a sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Tizen\u00e9vesen sokat gondolkodtam azon, hogy vajon a teremt\u00e9s volt-e, vagy a jelenben t\u00f6rt\u00e9nik.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Valah\u00e1nyszor a kl\u00f3noz\u00e1ssal \u00e9s a fejlett mesters\u00e9ges intelligencia \u00e1ltal vez\u00e9relt szintetikus testtel kapcsolatban felmer\u00fclt a k\u00e9rd\u00e9s, hogy az ember istenn\u00e9 magasztosulhat-e, azaz joga van-e ezekkel foglalkozni, \u00e9rtetlen\u00fcl \u00e1lltam. Hiszen egy v\u00e9gtelen hatalm\u00fa l\u00e9ny nem att\u00f3l isten, hogy bizonyos folyamatokat \u00e9s elemeket \u00f6sszekombin\u00e1lva valami \u00fajat tud l\u00e9trehozni, hanem att\u00f3l, hogy folyamatosan a korl\u00e1tlan, k\u00f6zvetlen teremt\u00e9s \u00e1llapot\u00e1ban van, azaz, amit d\u00f6nt, az azonnal megt\u00f6rt\u00e9nik. A kl\u00f3noz\u00e1snak \u00e9s az MI-nek ehhez semmi k\u00f6ze.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Isten arra k\u00e9pes a fizikai univerzumban, amire az ember k\u00e9pzeletben.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">E pillanatban a k\u00f6vetkez\u0151 istenk\u00e9pet tartom igaznak:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Isten l\u00e9tezik. \u0150 teremtette a fizikai univerzumot. \u0150 teremtette azokat a szab\u00e1lyokat, amik a fizikai univerzumot fizikai univerzumm\u00e1 teszik (ezek a term\u00e9szeti t\u00f6rv\u00e9nyek). Ezek a szab\u00e1lyok m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9si szab\u00e1lyok. Ha \u00fagy tetszik: j\u00e1t\u00e9kszab\u00e1lyok.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Mi nem ennek az istennek a teremtm\u00e9nyei vagyunk. Mi vele egyenrang\u00fa, vele azonos k\u00e9pess\u00e9g\u0171 l\u00e9nyek vagyunk, akik besz\u00e1lltunk ebbe a j\u00e1tszm\u00e1ba, amit \u0151 alkotott meg. Ez egy j\u00e1tszma. Att\u00f3l az, hogy elfogadjuk a szab\u00e1lyait. Ha b\u00e1rmelyik szab\u00e1lyt elutas\u00edtjuk, m\u00e1r nem vagyunk benne a j\u00e1tszm\u00e1ban.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Nem tudom, ki teremtette a fizikai univerzumot. Lehet, hogy \u00e9n voltam. Lehet, hogy te. Tal\u00e1n valaki m\u00e1s. Tal\u00e1n olyan valaki, akir\u0151l soha nem gondoln\u00e1nk. Esetleg m\u00e1r r\u00e9gen kisz\u00e1llt. Esetleg soha nem is sz\u00e1llt be a saj\u00e1t j\u00e1tszm\u00e1j\u00e1ba.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Gary Gygax egy isten. \u0150 teremtette a szerepj\u00e1t\u00e9kot. Amikor \u00e9n, elfogadva az \u0151 szab\u00e1lyait, j\u00e1tszottam az \u00e1ltala alkotott j\u00e1t\u00e9kkal, nem lettem a teremtm\u00e9nye, csup\u00e1n j\u00e1tszottam a j\u00e1t\u00e9k\u00e1val.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Aki megalkotta a sakkot, a sakk istene. Aki megalkotta a p\u00f3kert, a p\u00f3ker istene. Aki megalkotta a focit, a foci istene. Az isten kital\u00e1l egy szab\u00e1lyrendszert, amit m\u00e1sok elfogadnak, azaz m\u00e1sok fenntartanak, ez\u00e9rt neki a szab\u00e1lyrendszer megteremt\u00e9se ut\u00e1n nincs m\u00e1r dolga. Nem kell ott lennie. Nem kell beavatkoznia. Nem kell csalnia, \u00e9s seg\u00edtenie az egyik felet. Isten nem tud beavatkozni az \u00e1ltala teremtett j\u00e1tszm\u00e1ba, mert a szab\u00e1ly megv\u00e1ltoztat\u00e1sa szab\u00e1lym\u00f3dos\u00edt\u00e1s, ami csak akkor \u00e9rv\u00e9nyes, ha a j\u00e1t\u00e9kosok elfogadj\u00e1k a javaslatot.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Jelenlegi istenk\u00e9pem szerint valaki megalkot egy szab\u00e1lyrendszert, amit m\u00e1sok elfogadnak, \u00e9s \u0151 ez\u00e1ltal lesz isten. Mind voltunk istenek, \u00e9s m\u00e9g lesz\u00fcnk is. Mind voltunk h\u00edv\u0151k (j\u00e1t\u00e9kosok), \u00e9s m\u00e9g lesz\u00fcnk is.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Mindebben az is benne van, hogy a fizikai univerzumot teremt\u0151 isten term\u00e9szeti t\u00f6rv\u00e9nyeket teremtett, nem erk\u00f6lcsi k\u00f3dexeket. Az erk\u00f6lcsi k\u00f3dexeket m\u00e1s istenek teremtett\u00e9k. Az erk\u00f6lcs nem ugyanaz a j\u00e1tszma, mint a fizikai univerzum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ez az \u00e9n istenk\u00e9pem. A ti\u00e9tek milyen? Van itt olyan, aki abban hisz, hogy isten egy kicsinyes, szadista, homoszexu\u00e1lis f\u00e9rfi?<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Isten egy soviniszta f\u00e9rfi, egy testetlen szellem, vagy valami eg\u00e9szen m\u00e1s?<\/p>","protected":false},"author":6388,"featured_media":4575,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_genesis_hide_title":false,"_genesis_hide_breadcrumbs":false,"_genesis_hide_singular_image":false,"_genesis_hide_footer_widgets":false,"_genesis_custom_body_class":"","_genesis_custom_post_class":"","_genesis_layout":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[90],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-4187","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-tudas","8":"entry"},"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v27.4 (Yoast SEO v27.4) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-premium-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Istenk\u00e9ptelen - 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